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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.

Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief

SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS, AND HOW TO SPOT RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:

The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
http://www.webextractor.com/
and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/


They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read: http://www.cheboksaryrussia.net/russian-scams/russian-scammers.html

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

  • 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!

  • doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.

  • girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.

  • girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.

  • scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.

  • photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!

  • most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiance did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.

  • GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.

  • very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)

  • writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafs are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).

  • falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.

  • uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
    THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

    MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:

  • she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
    Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

    She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted.

NB...you should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.
UK: http://www.ukvac-ru.com/document.aspx
USA: http://moscow.usembassy.gov/consular/consular.php?record_id=reqvdocs

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.




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2008-10-12, 06:19:26
anonymous from Belgium  
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This is the second email i got from a scammer probebly.


Hello my dear ******, thank you for your answer!At first I think I have to say that I am new in internet and I have only good intentions.you should know that I am not very good writer in english, please be patient to read my messages and see many mistakes. to be fair I don't know what you want to know about me,in principle I am usual girl.I think I should tell you about me, my interests,tastes and hobbies.I think I will tell you about things I want to know about you and you will know my future questions.I am 25 years old,my birthday is December, 25, 1982. I so much don't want to get older ,when I can see old women I amgetting crazy to think that it is my future .I do all the best to keep my youth and I keep my body well.In spite of all difficultes here I am trying to be in good condition and I do a lot of exercises to be in good shape!I am about 172 cm tall (5.6) and my weight is about 56 kg. I've been told I look well enough ,and I think that all women have own beaty. I have never been married and I don`t have children.I have one youngest sisters and it is great problem for us because we have only two rooms flat.you can't imagine what does it mean to be born in small town in Russia,there are not any chances to live well,to get a good job.All young people leave towns to search great luck in big cities but nobody waits for them there. I want to leave Russia,I know it sounds ugly but I know that I will be lost here like many young girls before me. It is not place to grow children and have stable future.I want to meet my right man .I think in future I can work as fitness trainer I have a certificate. My mother is my great problem too,she has a great dream to see me married and she wants to make me happy but I think it is only my business I am not a little child. She tells me every day that I should get married very soon... To be fair I am not sure I am able to explain all in first message I want to say so much! I just want you to know that I am not afraid to work,I am fairly goal oriented and I am sure you will be not disappoined to meet me in real life.I am going to spend three monthsabroad to work in any good place,agency promises to help me because it is only the way I can leave Russia.I will have all documents to travel in a few days and i will travel to St Petersburg then,from St Petersburg I will travel to you and they ask me about name of the city i am going to work,if you don't mind to meet me please tell me the name of your city and nearest international airport! I will book my flight from St Petersburg!I think it would be so great to meet my love and stay there forever.I know that it is not so easy like I think but I think it is possible that I meat my real love.I want to love and to be loved I want to build our own happiness,only me and my man there. I don't smoke,I tried to smoke when I was younger.I may have a glass of red dry vine,sometimes it helps to relax. I try to take care of my body and face. I know it is all I have.My soul may have any itnterst for you later, I thinkso.I am not a little girl and I know that at first almost all men look at body ,legs and face.God created males such persons. Well,I think I am lost in my letter,I am not sure you understand my goals,please feel free to ask. I live in Russia,town Angarsk, Lenina street 27,flat 15,it is near big city Irkutsk.My town is rather far from St Petersburg. I want you to reply if you understand my mind,my intentions,my soul,ifnot please reply too, I will continue my searching. Well, I will close this letter,I think you are tired to read it.and If you think that I should write shorter letters please tell me. I write from internet cafe in Irkutsk because there are not cafes and possibility to use internet in my small town,we have 4 digital phone number and we can't call abroad.Even to call in any big town here in Russia I have to order the call in advance.and I would like to say please don't worry if I keep silence sometimes I have no time to travel ,it is about 25 minutes by bus from my town till IrkutskPlease tell me more about you,your tastes,likes and dislikes .also I have a few impotant questions do youlike strong drinks too much?can you be very drunk?very ofthen?can you be rude with women?Well,I have to stop or I will write without ending.Kiss you !see you later. In my next e-mail I will write you more things about myself and more details about my trip and work. I will miss you, your Dariya
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Dating scammer Alyona Podrez from Angarsk, Russia
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Dating scammer Dariya TRUKHINA



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2008-10-13, 10:59:13
anonymous  
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i know this girl in red bikini. i have similiar pic same bikini same boat and background same girl actually she just phone me from ghana africa, ph. no. 233 245 662 850. oct 13 08 canada time 11.18 she talk to me for 1.11 min. it's a scammer
2008-10-13, 20:32:56
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
It sure is. I did a check on the phonenumber you posted:

http://www.countryc..-code=233

http://www.1areacod..ghana.htm

http://www.kropla.c..ghana.htm

There seems to be something wrong with the number. 233 is the Ghana-countrycode. But 24 is not a city in Ghana. I think a computer re-connected you to somewhere else on the planet.



2008-10-13, 21:10:38   (updated: 2008-10-13, 21:11:25)
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
Signs of a Nigerian dating scammer

Suspect you may be dealing with a Nigerian scammer? Here is a wonderful list compiled by the Romancescams Yahoo group. Not all signs on this list are equally alerting and not all of them necessarily mean scam, but if he/she generally fits the pattern, it is most likely scam!

They might be a scammer if...

- Their specified age range seems to have no limit-e.g. 25-60

- They have weird usernames containing '4real' or '4luv'

- Their first names are also weird, like Martins, Williams, Kevins, Waynes, etc... (instead of Martin, William, Kevin, Wayne)

- The women names are often misspelled, like Jenifer instead of Jennifer, Ashly instead of Ashley, or Marry instead of Mary.

- Their last names are usually Cole, Moore, Smith or Williams

- They say they are 'XX by name' and 'XX by age'

- They say 'am' instead of 'I am', for example: 'am Williams by name...'

- Their photos are rotated 45 degrees

- They say they are from Keller, VA. Why? Because it has the same zip code as Nigeria: 23401

- Their occupation is often 'building contractor' or 'petroleum engineer' for men and 'model' for women

- Their introductory letter often contains the phraze: 'Remeber the distance or colour does not matter but love matters alot in life.' (typical for Senegal scammers)

- They immediately want to get off the website and onto Yahoo IM or MSN IM

- They are not usually around on the weekends to IM

- They IM at unusual hours for your time zone

- Their profile seems to disappear off the website immediately after conversation begins

- Their spelling is atrocious

- They are notorious for using 'i' instead of 'I'

- They consistently use webspeak or abbreviations: u r ur cos pls/plz ma sry brb div acc

- Their grammar is not consistent with how Americans speak, French speak etc...

- They often mix up their phrases:
i will like to heer from you soonest
I am kool
Do you have anyman you care to meet
Do you have any man you planning to meet
Looking for someone to love and care for in life
Am cheerfull in life
I will like to meet someone that is careing and loveing for real in life
i am too young for my age if you don’t know
Ok so how will you feel if i says i dont mind you
i will like you to be my best friend
You are so pretty for my likeness

- They appear uneducated with their speaking/writing skills

- They misunderstand our slang or comparisons such as night owl/early bird, poker face

- They immediately start using pet names with you: hon/hun baby/babe sweety/sweetie

- They over-use emoticons

- They are notorious for using BUZZ

- They do not like to answer personal questions about themselves and tend to ignore questions

- The details they give you on IM are often different that what was stated on their profiles, one of the more common ones they give different answers to is their birthdate, height/weight, and age

- If you catch them on an inconsistency they will claim a friend or relative must’ve been using their id to chat with you, they will always try to come up with a coverup and of course, you are always wrong or mistaken

- They often misspell the cities/towns they claim they are from and are unfamiliar with any of the local landmarks and attractions

- They do not know common questions that every US citizen would know the answer to

- If you ask them a question they don’t know they will usually be offline for a length of time so they can go look up the answer on the internet always claiming they had a phone call or had to go to the bathroom etc..

- There are other times they are gone from the conversation for a length of time and will sometimes come back at you with a different name, they’re usually conversing with more than one person at a time

- They typically ask you to get on your webcam yet they never seem to have a webcam of their own

- They like to send you poems or love letters, most of which can be traced back to lovingyou.com, sometimes they even forget to change the name in the poem or letter to match your name

- They claim it was destiny or fate and you are meant to be together

- They claim God brought you to him/her

- They immediately want your address so as to send you flowers, candy, and teddy bears, often purchased with stolen credit cards

- They claim to love you either immediately or within 24-48 hours

- They ask for your phone # but when they call you can barely understand a word

- They may give you a phone # but it’s typically a calling card or a call center, you can rarely get them on the phone

- They are so in love with you that they cannot live without you BUT they need you to send them some money so they can come to you

- They typically claim to be from the US (or your local region) but they are overseas, or going overseas mainly to Nigeria, sometimes the UK for business or family matters

- They often do not know the correct time difference between where you are and where they claim to be

- They often claim to have one parent that is of African descent

- A majority of them claim to have lost a spouse/child/parent in a horrific traffic accident or airplane accident or any of the above are sick or in the hospital

- They have no close family or friend or business associates to turn to, even the US embassy, instead they can only rely on a stranger they picked off the internet

- They tend to ask you to send them cell phones and laptops

- They would like to mail you packages or letters and have you forward them on for them, sometimes to Africa, sometimes to another US address

- To them love equals financial assistance: if you do not send them money or help them out with what they ask, you do not love them

- They will ask you to open a bank account for them in your name, often in Wells Fargo bank

- They will ask you for your bank account information

- They will send you a check or money order and ask you to cash it for them and wire the money to them via Western Union

- They frequently send fraudulent checks via Qchex.com

- They often claim they are in the hospital and the doctor will not perform the necessary operation unless you send the money

- Even when they are in the hospital they can IM with you because the doctor has a laptop and is so very generous to let them use it

- They claim they’ve been mugged and have no money and are being held hostage in the hotel and are not being allowed to leave until the bill is paid, often they will let you talk to the 'hotel manager' who will verify the story

- They also claim they’ve somehow 'lost' the company money and cannot pay his employees: there is always some desperate story as to why you have to send money

- If you deny them or question them they become verbally abusive and will resort to threats

- Above all, if you call them a scammer they are highly offended and some will start throwing words at you in their native language.

2008-10-14, 12:32:35
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Hey there guys and girls a huge big thankyou to this site, oh my god i joined eharmony about 5 weeks ago, and already i have had 5 guys trying to scam me, i contacted the site, but they didnt reply to my email ect ect to im beginning to wonder if this site was set up by the scammers (anyone any idea) so just a great job you are doin on here and think i might have to start using this sight as a dating site lol anyone interested in a typical red headed scottish chick, and guess what i dont want your money, ilive in scotland have no plans to go to nigeria and definetly dont come from russia... be safe cat
2008-10-15, 12:58:03
anonymous  
HEY GUYS, GUESS WHAT WOULD THEY DO WITH OUR PHOTOS, THEY MAY INTRODUCE US, AS THEY ARE, SCAMS, DID ANYONE THOUGHT OF THAT??!
2008-10-19, 10:24:10
[hidden] from Largo, United States  
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I've been scammed before, about seven years ago, for $4000.00 from russian female. This one in question is from Accr, Ghana. She uses pop up chat lines from different websites. She has contacted me now for 2 months. She claims to have had a cheating and beating husband. Now she wants to come visit me in the US. Naturally she has no money, she lives on 150.00us dollars a month. She claims to be teacher in college. She Emails me pictures of her nude but no face attached. She never answers why. If anyone sees her or is contacted be careful. Her Email is simple_twee@yahoo.com. She said her name is Rhiannon Davies. She wants money for visa medical exam she wants money for ring, she also wants me to by her new cell phone and camera.


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2008-10-20, 23:55:15
anonymous from Papua New Guinea  
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thanks to whoever who is helping us know the scam email, i've got couple of email from a lady know idea it could be a men emailing me and sending a ladies photo and he/she is saying she has a million dallas in RBS bank.......thanks to you who posted all you comment, make sure not to except any pf these scam mail they are only asking for money, nothing else.......

anyway God Bless you all,
2008-10-20, 23:56:55
anonymous from Papua New Guinea  
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thanks to whoever who is helping us know the scam email, i've got couple of email from a lady know idea it could be a men emailing me and sending a ladies photo and he/she is saying she has a million dallas in RBS bank.......thanks to you who posted all you comment, make sure not to except any pf these scam mail they are only asking for money, nothing else.......

anyway God Bless you all,
2008-10-21, 13:07:42
anonymous from United Kingdom  
Arnoldlove@live.com posing has MARK SMITH
2008-10-21, 17:58:58
anonymous from United States  
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I was recently contacted by this lady and she said she liked my profile and wanted to chat...so i went to yahoo IM and we began and she soon told me of her love for me and the disire to be together. I said i would come to Accra Ghana to meet her and her mom she lives with and younger brother John who is in Law school. The uncle also lives with them and lets her use the cell phone to text me often and then later calls me so i can hear her voice and only for a few minutes though. She says she would rather come to the US and needs money for the Medical Exam and then she needs money for the Visa and Passport, but will get the money for the plane ticket from her mom and uncle.
I did not send her the money and she said i did not trust her and we have built this relationship on trust. I said no so she did not text, email or call for a couple of days and i missed the conversation.....she then got on line and acted like every thing is ok and we can now move forward and she will come to US and be with me and we will make a life together. I know she will never come and if so it would not be her stepping off the plane. If u see this picture please let me know, she has a tatoo of a dragon on her left sholder and her lower back.


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2008-10-25, 15:29:59
anonymous from Canada  
does anyone know if this one is a scammer? from ghana


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2008-10-25, 16:06:07
OJAS from United States  
2008-10-25, 20:00:05
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I have been in contact with a woman from Ghana. We have been talking for over a month, and now I think there may be a scam brewing. She says her name is Annie Wals.


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2008-10-25, 21:53:49
anonymous from Canada  
thanks OJAS, nothing showed up with that link and nothing showed up with a picture search from this site. maybe she is legit, just her emails were similar to some of the others on this site.
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