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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.

Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief


The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from and ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.

They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read:

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

  • 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!

  • doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.

  • girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.

  • girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.

  • scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.

  • photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!

  • most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiance did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.

  • GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.

  • very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)

  • writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafs are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use, or hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).

  • falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.

  • uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
    THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

    MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:

  • she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
    Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

    She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted. should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.

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2008-09-19, 10:24:44
anonymous from Brazil  
Ola tudo bem?vc e muito maravilhosa gatinha!meu nome e niltol leite

2008-09-19, 16:58:59   (updated: 2008-09-19, 17:11:16)
[hidden] from United States  
Here is another one from Svetlana Bagrova:

Hi my dear XXX! I am happy to receive your mail day by day. Every day I think of youabout your letters.Excuse that sometimes I write to you not every day, my work happenscomes to an end later than usually and I am not in time in theInternet of cafe up to it closings, I hope you not so be upset when Iwrite with delay! I feel that my heart is torn to you. We not so long ago correspondwith you, but it seems to me that we are familiar the whole life. Myletters it is a part of my soul. A part me. And this to me a little. Idream of our meeting, I wish to see you. To look in your eyes. To seea smile on your face. To be simple more close to you. You the personof my dreams. Whom I see in the dreams. I am very glad that our worldbecame much more more interestingly with the advent of the Internet.And we can do dialogue with people of the different countries. I amglad that we have found each other. It is simple a miracle. And youtrust in miracles? I heard from many friends about attitudes ofRussian girls with men from other countries. They perfectly live,bring up children and very much love each other. I think that at uswith you all will be good. That will be at us the attitudes penetratedby love, respect and understanding. I like to dance, visit clubs. Tocommunicate with friends, to skate, float in pool. And the mostinteresting to me extreme kinds of sports. Driving on racing machines.I am am involved with abrupt bends and turns. That grasps spirit. Itvery much is pleasant to me. And what interests at you? What most ofall you love? I hope that you that person which are necessary to me. Ihave made the choice. I hope that you test to me the same feelings. Iwish to trust you. I wish to feel your support, and I hope that yourfeelings to me sincerely. I hope that I was not mistaken in you. Whatdo you feel to me? What you opinions on me? That you wish to learnabout me ask your questions. I shall send to you photos of my city, Ihope it to you will help to know better where I live. I think of youand I hope that your answer will come as soon as possible. Your friendSvetlana.

Frankly, I feel kind of bad about making fun of this. 'She' seems so sincere. But I'm getting duplicate e-mails, so at the very least I know 'she' is a liar.

and some new pictures of her city:

2008-09-19, 17:03:55
anonymous from United States  
another picture that came with the last svetlana bagrova e-mail:

2008-09-19, 17:05:31   (updated: 2008-09-19, 17:06:17)
anonymous from United States  
this is the last picture that came with the email above, in case anyone else recognizes it:

2008-09-19, 17:10:24   (updated: 2008-09-19, 17:10:51)
anonymous from United States  
This is the last one. I think I sassed 'her' a little too much in the last reply, so I haven't seen anything else, but I'll keep you posted:

Hello my good, the close friend XXX. Today we have a cloudy weather. In the street pours a fine rain and awarm wind blows. Mood bad. But I nevertheless have again decided to goin the Internet of cafe again to read through your letters. In factyour letters is a part you, through letters I feel you, that you as aline. Your letters give me heat and warm me in this rainy weather. Ivery much value to ours with you dialogue. I am very glad, that wethough and on distance, but we try to understand each other. In factthe understanding in attitudes is the most important. You agree withme? I wish to devote to you a small rhyme. I write the letter with a smile gentleI wish, happiness with all the heartWhen my letter you will receiveThe answer write more likely. I write the letter, and heart criesIn fact to heart very much it is not easyThe letter will reach, and I shall remainI shall remain somewhere away. My parents brought up me in severity. And I for it am very grateful tothem. They have learned me to appreciate and respect with people whogive heat and pleasure. This person - you. I wish to continue with youour dialogue. I am grateful to you that with each arrival of yourletters, at me cheers up. One fine instant that the life has got pinkshades sometimes suffices. You are very expensive and important forme. Each girl secret in the essence and not everyone the man can makeout it. Each meeting is mysterious and inherently and nobody knows,than it can will end. I do not hurry in relations and I do not ask tohurry you Tom. I only think of an opportunity to meet here theperson close and native for me. It is chance to tell not only aboutitself, but also to learn the same person of an opposite floor that itthinks and knows. It not history about beautiful love andunforgettable night of desires and hopes, it only acquaintance to theclose person and if you really share my ideas and feelings I am alwaysready to listen to you in your following letter. Yours Svetlana.

and the last picture, which I recognized in another post with a different name:

2008-09-19, 19:19:43
Dirk from Heerlen, Netherlands  
Anon from USA,

The picture you recognized was posted by an Anon from Australia in this thread http://www.delphifa..tml?p=219

You find the real Svetlana Bagrova in the list of participants in the 1956 USSR Spartakyade http://www.gymn-for..ants.html

2008-09-24, 17:14:45
anonymous from Ireland  
can anyone help me. i have been talking to this women for a month now and iam so curious about her. i just need your help. if anyone have been talking to this lady? her name is sharon sotic. and this is her picture. hope anyone can help me if she is a scammer. she has'nt ask for money yet but it looks like she will eventually. i can really feel it.

2008-09-24, 17:17:41
anonymous from Ireland  
here are the rest of her picutures. does anyone knows her?

2008-09-24, 17:19:33
anonymous from Ireland  

2008-09-24, 17:21:06
anonymous from Ireland  

2008-09-24, 17:23:51
anonymous from Ireland  

2008-09-25, 05:51:56
anonymous from United States  
2008-09-25, 05:55:38
Accra,Ghana scammer , a dating scammer
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2008-09-25, 11:33:34
i recieved the exact same e-mail today from the so called aleksandra. how easy is it to get caught like a salmon in there lucrative nets. Not me, knew summit wuz dodgy str8 away. may keep it going just for laugh sakes. hahaha!!!!! cheers
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2008-09-25, 13:08:49
Does some one know this women? She goes under the name Ruth from Florida. But is in Nigeria, with out money.

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